he's talking specifically to progressives. if we're making a deal, you have to come to the middle too. and that's why the line is if not now, when was so salient because so many people are thinking, if the government can't work for us at this moment, this moment of crisis, when do they do their thing. >> i love the president said, mikka. >> it was great. >> i wish the president would have said this in may. >> it was perfect. >> the question is what do we do now between today and what's today? july 12. >> a little bit of a chess game at this point. he's winning. >> he's winning the chess game by saying this. >> if he said it earlier, it would have felt like he came from -- >> if he said it earlier? >> it doesn't matter, he's saying. >> it does matter. hold on, you can't put the -- through a deal this big. if you're a democrat, you come to me and say, i tell you what, you close the loopholes and raise revenue, all right, then we'll take care of entitlements. i'll say, okay, that's great.